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Hotspur · Hero Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 12621

http://www.politics.co.uk/domestic-policy/demos-abandon-multiculturalism-$15038954.htm

Britain must abandon multiculturalism if it wants to build a strong, tolerant and inclusive sense of national identity, a new report argues.

A study published by think tank Demos and written by Lib Dem shadow chancellor Vince Cable argues that instead of fostering each communities' sense of identity, Britain should build a 'multiple' identity.

This, according to Mr Cable, would acknowledge that most people belong to a number of different communities, whether national, ethnic, geographic or religious, "combined with a strong commitment to the rights of the individual and law and order".

"We have to learn to live with the politics of identity which promotes an open and inclusive society," he said.

"The threat to harmonious social relations in Britain comes from those who insist that multiple identity is not possible: white supremacists, English nationalists, Islamic fundamentalists.

"This is the opposition and they have to be confronted. An important element in that confrontation is the assertion of a sense of Britishness."

Debate over multiculturalism has intensified in the wake of the July 7th attacks, where four British-born Muslims blew themselves up on the London transport network.

Conservative home affairs spokesman David Davis called for multiculturalism to be scrapped, while the government this summer carried out a series of meetings to establish how many young, disaffected Muslims could be integrated into mainstream society.

In today's report, Demos sets out proposals to introduce a system of managed immigration based on economic need, similar to the 'green card' system operated in the US.

It foresees the creation of a new government body that would periodically assess Britain's economic need for new migrants. Quotas would then be issued to individuals or employers.
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tyke · Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 21:08 pm Post subject:

English nationalists!! Arsehole!!

complain to the lib dems about this comment. He assume that only English are racists.

info@libdems.org.uk
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Hotspur · Hero Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 12621

http://www.newswales.co.uk/?section=Education&F=1&id=7852

How Wales and England differ
8/9/2005

Students, academics and others will gather at the University of Wales, Bangor this Friday and Saturday (9-10 September) to discuss to what extent writers, historians, museum curators, politicians and others have at different times in our history, exaggerated the differences between at least parts of Wales and parts of England.

They will ask whether education and the influences of the media and others around us colours our perceptions of our identity. The Conference will also discuss whether Wales and England are moving further apart since devolution- and consider the way in which how Asians in England and the English in Wales
see themselves in this increasingly nationalistic environment.

Organised by the University of Wales, Bangor's Welsh Institute for Social & Cultural Affairs under the Economic & Social Research Council's Devolution & Change programme, "Wales vEngland: Parallel Histories or Constructed Differences?" brings together academics from the fields of history, literature and media along with Museum curators, musicologists and others to discuss an emerging field of study: how we see ourselves,
and how that perception is manipulated and changed over time.

"The Conference draws on academics from different fields and studying different periods, who contribute to this vast jig-saw picture of how we see or have seen ourselves," explains Prof Duncan Tanner, of the Welsh Institute of Social and Cultural Affairs. "Bringing together people with such different expertise helps us to define how these perceptions have been created, manipulated and changed over the centuries," he added.
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"the truth is that colouring federalism with nationalism is like painting a rat red: it kills the animal.

Federalism and Nationalism are contradictory and mutually Fatal".

tyke · Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 21:25 pm Post subject:

I would like to point out also that he is comparing English people to Islamic terrorists

I've complained to the Lib Dems and I'm now bugging the newspapers. I am pretty damned cross.
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Deleted · Hero Joined: 05 May 2003 Posts: 4155

Vince Cable's email address is vincentcable@cix.co.uk

tyke · Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 21:42 pm Post subject:

I've just written to David Davis as well. He might like this one.

I'm not warning Vince Cable that I have done so. He can stew and be caught totally unprepared when the time comes for him to answer for his comments.
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Deleted · Hero Joined: 05 May 2003 Posts: 4155

Dear Mr Cable,

I read the following attributed to you:

"The threat to harmonious social relations in Britain comes from those who insist that multiple identity is not possible: white supremacists, English nationalists, Islamic fundamentalists.

This is the opposition and they have to be confronted. An important element in that confrontation is the assertion of a sense of Britishness."

I am an English nationalist and I don't much like being lumped into the same bracket as white supremacists and Islamic fundamentalists. I call myself a nationalist because I want to see an English parliament and government equal to that enjoyed by Scotland. An important part of recognising the multiple identities of the British Isles is in recognising England's right to the to self determination afforded to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Why do you single out English nationalists and choose not level the accusation at Scottish or Welsh nationalists? Are you sure that you didn't mean British nationalists? Somehow that would seem more apt.

Regards,

Gareth Young

tyke · Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 22:06 pm Post subject:

Let us know if he replies, Gareth.

What a tosser. I can't find his nationality, but then many Lib Dems hate their fellow countrymen anyway.
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Deleted · Hero Joined: 05 May 2003 Posts: 4155

His biog says that he was born in York

tyke · Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 22:19 pm Post subject:

No!! A East Yorkshireman with such views? Whatever next? I'm appalled. He's been away from the area for too long if you ask me.
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wonkotsane · Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 22:22 pm Post subject:

What a twat!
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sam · Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 00:20 am Post subject:

What a complete and utter arsehole.
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Versus · Hero Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 6340 Location: England

Wow, never has such desperation sparked such indignation.

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Here's the bum's website:

http://www.vincentcable.org.uk/

tyke · Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 07:56 am Post subject:

And here's his local newspaper. His electorate ought to know what he thinks of them

Staines Guardian, Richmond & Twickenham Times Series

Editor: Paul Mortimer

14 King Street, Richmond, Surrey TW9 1NF
T: 020 8940 6030
E: adrtt@london.newsquest.co.uk
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Write Celt Geld/ or Celt Gelt if you prefer Lance, on the reverse side of ALL English bank notes as a peaceful protest at the Barnett Formula. You an also do it on any Scottish notes you may handle. This is worth a dozen letters in the press and something the media cannot control.