Crossofstgeorge Debate

[cleveland]

An interesting article with the above title, by David Hannam, is in the October edition of 'Identity' magazine.

Hannam argues that the BNP will need to go further than its recent support for an English parliament if it is to harvest a potential English nationalist vote. There are some obligatory derogatory remarks about the English Democrats and the 'English (sic) First Party' whilst acknowledging that those parties have identified a piece of action which the BNP needs to be getting a slice of. And as 'British' has become a multiculturally embracing term "the term 'English'", Hannam notes, "is a refuge for the racially aware voter".

Hannam appears to think that Scottish independence is an inevitability. I'm not quite sure that that is the case. First, the SNP has to gain the agreement of another party/s in the Scottish parliament in order to call a referendum. Then, when shove comes to push it's not certain that a majority of Scottish voters would vote for independence. The strategy of extracting maximum favours and concessions from the central government, whilst stopping just short of independence, is probably the ideal scenario for most Scottish (and Welsh) voters. Alex Salmond is doubtless hoping, however, for a return of a Tory government at Westminster in 2009 which would put a fair wind behind an independence referendum.

Hannam observes that "The harsh truth is that the Scottish people are not going to vote BNP in any significant numbers", with the consequent implication that the BNP should scale down its electoral efforts north of the border. In England, Hannam advocates "more use of the St George Cross" and "incorporat[ing] our pro-English parliament stance at grassroots level".

Interesting times lie ahead.

[Aslan]

The harsh truth also that no one is going to vote BNP in anywhere near the numbers it would need to make an impact.

With the English Democrats Party nipping at the heels of the BNP after just five short years, and a plethora of English institutions being launched in 2008 the BNP missed the boat long ago.

Like the Conservatives should the BNP decide that after all these years of dissing England now they can try and con the voter into believing they really do give a damn about England, it will of course be treated with the contempt it deserves.

The BNP are a white racist party, they make no bones about it. That type of politics will not serve England well, and a growing English Democrats Party will easily pass them over in the next decade.

Dream on, and while you are at it, change your name to Clevelandbnp as many of us find your approach objectionable and don't wish to have you associated with England or the a party working to serve such a great country.

[Phoenix]

Could be a bonus.
The BBC and the establishment fear the BNP.
In order to divert votes away from them we may start to get coverage at their expense.
The fact that they are British Nationalist that have conveniently dropped the mask will not be lost on the voter and or the media.
The Conservatives are the ones to watch.
Conservative chameleons have little charm, no conscience and no scruples.
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[scabbard]

[Steve Uncles]

The English movement is full of

Those who believe that "English" is all the people of England

and

those who believe that "English" is a race.

Both definitions are legally recognised by the current UK Government, and will be documented in the next census in a similar way to

Scotland, Wales, Ireland

and

Asian
Black-African
Black-West Indian
etc

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As we need as many people as possible in the English movement then those who "support" both definitions of English are welcome into the English Democrats.
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[Aslan]

scabbard I doff my cap to you.

I think the BNP is a marvellous receptical for people like cleveland and they are welcome to them.

We want people who will make this society work and will respect people for who they are not what their skin colour is.

The English Democrats Party are not ethnocentric, albeit we defend the right of the indigenous English to be recognised as indigenous and to have their culture and history properly celebrated and respected. Equally, there are many hundreds of thousands of people who were born in England, who love England and have a solid loyalty to England, and the English Democrats Party are here too to defend their right to continue to live in a country free from crime, overcrowding, and restrictive government intervention.

There are also many thousands of people who are on the electoral register who are not born in England, but have nevertheless made their life here and are taxpayers. They too have the right to have decent services at a reasonable cost and not to be discriminated against because they are living in England.

The English Democrats are a broad church intellectually and politically combining both the left and the right in a shared endeavour to create a new consensus politics which seeks to unite not divide the people of England. It is possible to defend the rights of all three groups of English people without contradiction. England is an amalgum built up over the centuries, it is not a laundry list of attributes or an ID badge only handed out to people who fit a very narrow ethnic definition which seeks to trace itself back to early England. England is forward thinking, fair, tolerant and respectable and that is what the English Democrats also seek to be.

Englishness is a state of mind - you know it when you see it

[cleveland]

If the BNP makes this move which is long over due and which I have pushed for from within the BNP since 1999 the gains will be huge.
I expect the majority of English Democrats would defect.
The English Democrats would go the same was as the cultural nationalists did in Flanders when the Flemish version of the BNP Vlamms Blok emerged.
Virtually extinct.

[cleveland]

The BNP simply have far more popular policies than the English Democrats all they are lacking is the word English in their title.
I can see the majority of Scottish, Welsh and N Irish members objecting to a name change but the English members will massively support such a move without doubt.

[Phoenix]

[AngloNation]

I think the BNP have some good policies when it comes to immigration, crime and history, but the fact that they are against inter racial relationships and marriage is what really hurts them and is quite offensive to most people, me included. They talk about England's long history of respecting individual rights, but what about respecting my right to marry who I want, regardless of their skin colour?
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“The English….are lazy and constitutionally indolent. They are always being caught lagging behind, unprepared, again and again in their history it has been the same; and then, when up against it they more than make up for lost time by their resourcefulness, their inventiveness, their ability to extemporise and their self-reliance.” A. L. Rowse

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