Crossofstgeorge Debate

Phoenix · Hero Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 5280 Location: England

Mr Prescott takes planning very seriously. Mrs Griffin really needs to take that flag down.
Oh! 45 householders in Billericay have just had to fork out £75,000 for a piece of wooded land. The owner had put it up for auction so the villagers had to bid against the "Travelling land developers" (Excused all legislative controls) so that the price of the properties that they spent the best years of their lives struggling to pay for did drop to 25% of market value.

Another piece of middle England intimidated. I reckon a few more Englanders will soon be forced to France or Spain. Perhaps they can go to Wales or Scotland, as the travelling entrepreneurs don't seem to go there.

Perhaps the colonisation of England is to be accomplished by driving us all out.
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wonkotsane · Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 12:19 pm Post subject:

Phoenix · Hero Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 5280 Location: England

Collingwood · Two Lions Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Posts: 52 Location: England

This sort of PC garbage really gets your back up.Then again is it PC or just legal extortion? You can't fly those flags it's illegal, but we will turn a blind eye if you pay us £220. Every time the papers print a story about brainless councillors who have nothing better to do than stop people flying the English flag we should all protest.How you do this is upto you but I think if everyone flew one from their car for a week might get the message across.Especially if flown in the town concerned. Mad

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Versus · Hero Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 6340 Location: England

Hotspur · Hero Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 12643

PLANNING: Councillor cuts flag row short
A PATRIOTIC woman is hoping to keep her St George's flags flying high today after a councillor stepped in to the rumpus.

Tina Griffin (37) was told she would have to pay £220 to get special permission to keep flags flying outside her home in Edinburgh Avenue, Werrington, Peterborough, or go to court.

Last week she exclusively told The Evening Telegraph how she refused to take down the flags, which flutter on 5ft metal flagpoles.

Since then Cllr Darren Fower, for the Werrington south ward, told her he has contacted planning officials on her behalf who have told him they are unlikely to take any further action.

Mrs Griffin said she would be delighted if this was the case.

She said: "It is excellent if Peterborough City Council has listened to our views. It is just a shame it had to take me getting in touch with The Evening Telegraph to sort it out.

"It should not have come to this in the first place."

Mrs Griffin, husband Nigel (37) and children, Jamie (12), Mark (10) and Sophie (4), put the flags up to cheer England footballers on during the European Championships last June.

They then kept them up to show they were proud to be English, only to be told the flags were classed as "unauthorised advertising" and the family was liable to "enforcement action" if they did not pay for permission.

However Cllr Fower said: "I have spoken to a planning officer, who said he would review the situation. He is going to put a report together and recommend the council take no further action.

"We wanted to put a stop to this situation as we did not want to be seen making a mountain out of a molehill. We wanted to listen to people and consider all their views, and that is what we have done."

Cllr Fower said the issue would now be taken to the planning committee for approval, and said it was very unlikely it would be defeated.

However, Peterborough City Council spokesman Mike Lennox said no formal decision had been made on the issue yet.
04 May 2005
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wonkotsane · Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 12:26 pm Post subject:

It would be nice to think the support from here and other blogs helped.

Hotspur, anything in the server logs for Peterborough?
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Hotspur · Hero Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 12643

SOAPBOX: St George's crosses, Homezones and Peterborough Pensioners Association - 09/05/05'Thanks for flag support'
I would like to thank everyone who has written to the paper, or has stopped me in the street expressing their support over our "flag problem" ("Take down your flag or we'll prosecute, woman told", Evening Telegraph, April 29).

It is good to know that there are so many patriotic people still in this country willing to stand up and be counted.

When I received the initial letter from the council, I was first shocked that it was going to prosecute us for flying our flags, but then the shock turned into anger, as I felt annoyed that it could tell me what I could or could not have on MY house.

As yet, I have still not received anything from the council to say that the flags can remain, but they are still flying proudly and will stay there!

Obviously, if the council has a change of heart now that the elections are over, I will be in touch with the papers again!

Thanks once again!

Tina Griffin and family
Edinburgh Avenue,
Werrington,
Peterborough
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"the truth is that colouring federalism with nationalism is like painting a rat red: it kills the animal.

Federalism and Nationalism are contradictory and mutually Fatal".

Adelhed · Bit of a legend Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 1423

Has anyone visited this site before? Is it a wind-up?

http://www.reflag.co.uk/start.htm

Hotspur · Hero Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 12643

It has been around for a few years, they can do what they like with the UJ
it is not my flag.
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"the truth is that colouring federalism with nationalism is like painting a rat red: it kills the animal.

Federalism and Nationalism are contradictory and mutually Fatal".

wonkotsane · Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 10:11 am Post subject:

Haha, what a joke. I did my own one for a BBC competition once ...

http://blogs.vbcity.com/wonkotsane/gallery/image/274.aspx
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Hotspur · Hero Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 12643

' Flag fiasco has made me cross'
http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=1933&ArticleID=1016297

I read your article regarding Tina Griffin's plight in being patriotic and flying two flags of St George, and that having two flags breaches local regulations and is construed as advertising. It amazes me that these flags have been flying since last year, plenty of time for the council to react, but no, they leave it until St George's Day.

Although I'm not a resident of Peterborough, I bet 10 to a penny there are other instances of this kind that are ignored. What the people of Peterborough have to ask is, what kind of council picks on a patriotic family flying the flag of England? Are they embarrassed by their own country's flag? And what exactly would St George be advertising?

Recently, David Blunkett MP said that we should be proud of England and her history, yet when one family decide to do such they are picked on by a bureaucracy with nothing better to do.

Barry (The Elder)
Wembley,
Middlesex

'Shame on the council leeches'

If I lived in Peterborough, my flag would stay put. Not only would they have to take me to court, they would have to imprison me. What a waste waste of council taxes.

Shame on them and shame on Peterborough for not standing up to the petty leeches who harass decent people for simply displaying the flag of their country. They wouldn't dare do it in America.

D Petch
Driffield,
East Yorkshire

'I'm ashamed to be a Briton'

I'M a 90-year-old man (27 years an RAF man, and a former Peterborough resident for 18 years). I've since moved to Georgia, in the USA. I was amazed and ashamed to be shown (my daughter prints off your newspaper articles every day for me to read) a picture and story of a lady in Peterborough who was threatened with a £200 fine for flying a British flag.

Democracy? Freedom? is this the new Britain? Now I try to dodge the question: "Are you British?"

I hope the lady continues to fly the flag, and authorities come to their senses.

Frank Northcott
Columbus,
Georgia
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Lord Hugh Cecil 1918

"the truth is that colouring federalism with nationalism is like painting a rat red: it kills the animal.

Federalism and Nationalism are contradictory and mutually Fatal".

Hotspur · Hero Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 12643

It might end up just England and Wales, so a Dragon in the far left of a COSTG.
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"the truth is that colouring federalism with nationalism is like painting a rat red: it kills the animal.

Federalism and Nationalism are contradictory and mutually Fatal".

wonkotsane · Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 11:43 am Post subject:

that one was a spoof to highlight the fact there's no England in the UK.
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Versus · Hero Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 6340 Location: England