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Phoenix Hero

Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 5265 Location: England
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 14:20 pm Post subject: So we cannot afford to pay for an English Parliament eh? |
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This little beaut. would house 70,000 Mps if necessary and on a prime site.
I wonder if they intend selling it off cheaply after the event, as they did with the dome. Or will it remain as a Mosque??
Sunday Times today.
Giant mosque for 40,000 may be built at London Olympics
A MASSIVE mosque that will hold 40,000 worshippers is being proposed beside the Olympic complex in London to be opened in time for the 2012 Games.
The project's backers hope the mosque and its surrounding buildings would hold a total of 70,000 people, only 10,000 fewer than the Olympic stadium. (Expecting more future worshippers?)
Its futuristic design features wind turbines instead of the traditional minarets, while a translucent latticed roof would replace the domes seen on most mosques. The complex is designed to become the "Muslim quarter" for the Games, acting as a hub for Islamic competitors and spectators.
"It will be something never seen before in this country. It is a mosque for the future as part of the British landscape," said Abdul Khalique, a senior member of Tablighi Jamaat, a worldwide Islamic missionary group that is proposing the mosque as its new UK headquarters.
Tablighi Jamaat has come under scrutiny from western security agencies since 9/11. Two years ago, according to The New York Times, a senior FBI anti-terrorism official claimed it was a recruiting ground for Al-Qaeda.
British police investigated a report that Mohammad Sidique
Khan, leader of the July 7 London bombers, had attended its present headquarters in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire. In August, Bavaria expelled three members of the organisation on the grounds that it promoted Islamic extremism.
Western Europe's largest mosque, holding 40,000, could be built in time for 2012 Games
Defenders of Tablighi Jamaat say that it is not political and confines itself to humanitarian work. It was founded in India under the British Raj and has many members in Pakistan and Bangladesh.
The east London complex would have by far the largest capacity of any religious building in Britain. The biggest at present is the Baitul Futuh in Morden, Surrey, which holds about 10,000 worshippers.
Liverpool's Anglican cathedral, the largest Christian place of worship, has a capacity of 3,000.
The new building will be called the London Markaz (Arabic for centre) and will be built in place of an existing mosque on a 10-acre site 500 yards from the Olympic development.
The three-storey mosque will be designed to accommodate more than 40,000 worshippers. Its sweeping roof is intended to evoke tented cities. The complex would include a garden, school, library and accommodation for visiting worshippers.
Islamic calligraphy would cover the walls and ceilings, the washing areas would have cascading water to mimic a stream, and the complex's buildings would be adapted to allow extra worshippers during festivals such as Bid, accommodating a further 30,000 visitors.
Ali Mangera, the London and Barcelona-based architect who is designing the mosque, said: "People in this country build mosques with fake domes and plastic minarets to look like the mosques back home. Islam has traditionally been at the forefront of technology and change. The Markaz will reflect this. It will be more than a mosque. The whole idea behind it is to break down barriers."
Mangera has previously worked with leading British architects including Zaha Hadid, designer of the Cardiff opera house. Mangera and Tablighi Jamaat are in negotiations with Newham council, the Greater London Authority and the Thames Gateway Development Corporation for planning permission.
Sunil Sahadevan, a planning officer at Newham council, said: "We are working towards the mosque application with the organisers and discussions are ongoing. The application will be finalised over the next year." It is estimated that the project would cost more than £100m and donations are being sought from Britain and abroad. Additional reporting: Tom Baird
If this is not to be the biggest political assembly point in England I don't know what is. _________________ Survival of the fittest. We have to fight for our own people and our own ideals.
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Northumbrian Hero

Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 4999 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 15:27 pm Post subject: |
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Geongwulf Bit of a legend

Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 1006 Location: Sunny Spain
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 18:49 pm Post subject: |
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I started to read this and gave up less than half way through. It was necessary to stop otherwise my VDU might have gone out of the window! _________________ "No forreigne Prince, person, prelate, state or potentate hath or ought to have any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence within this realm."
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Geongwulf Bit of a legend

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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 18:56 pm Post subject: |
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Presumably there are so many moslem athletes expected to take part in the Olympics that they need a place to pray in between events. I can just imaging all the hundreds of moslem women in their hijabs and burkahs running in the sprint and medium distance events. And don't forget the field events too eg pole vault, discus and high jump!  _________________ "No forreigne Prince, person, prelate, state or potentate hath or ought to have any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence within this realm."
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RevinKevin Hero


Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 2160 Location: Kent, England Not Britain
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 21:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Geongwulf wrote: | Presumably there are so many moslem athletes expected to take part in the Olympics that they need a place to pray in between events. I can just imaging all the hundreds of moslem women in their hijabs and burkahs running in the sprint and medium distance events. And don't forget the field events too eg pole vault, discus and high jump!  |
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Phoenix Hero

Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 5265 Location: England
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 21:57 pm Post subject: |
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Heading the shot and catching the javlin? _________________ Survival of the fittest. We have to fight for our own people and our own ideals.
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Versus Hero

Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 6340 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 09:41 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The whole idea behind it is to break down barriers." |
By building a fort!
It sounds impressive, 40,000, but are there really that many people who are going to use it? I'm not sure what the Olympic Village is really for, if it's for the athletes, are there that many coming over?
Why are they building it again? Will they be building other religious places of worship? Just another suckup. _________________ - |
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tyke Hero

Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Posts: 6108 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 13:27 pm Post subject: |
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FFS! No wonder us lot in the north of the country feel that London might as well be on another planet. _________________ Write Celt Geld/ or Celt Gelt if you prefer Lance, on the reverse side of ALL English bank notes as a peaceful protest at the Barnett Formula. You an also do it on any Scottish notes you may handle. This is worth a dozen letters in the press and something the media cannot control. |
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HomeRuleforEngland Hero

Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 2922 Location: Walmington-on-Sea, England
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 17:33 pm Post subject: |
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Will the mosque be turned into affordable housing after the Olympics? _________________ The don't like it up em! |
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Phoenix Hero

Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 5265 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 17:47 pm Post subject: |
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Blair might sell it to his mate Lord Robertson for a couple of grand.
If he wants his throat cut  _________________ Survival of the fittest. We have to fight for our own people and our own ideals.
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Lance Dragon Hero


Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 14694
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 17:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Northumbrian wrote: | | Words fail me. |
How about "Screw the London Olympics"? _________________ RBS - Robbed by Scots
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Lance Dragon Hero


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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 17:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Ali Mangera, the London and Barcelona-based architect who is designing the mosque, said: "People in this country build mosques with fake domes and plastic minarets to look like the mosques back home. |
Home is where the heart is.
| Quote: | | Islam has traditionally been at the forefront of technology and change. The Markaz will reflect this. It will be more than a mosque. The whole idea behind it is to break down barriers." |
Four sentences, two lies. Had to edit can't count  _________________ RBS - Robbed by Scots
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